Roger C. Altman:
Leadership, at least in my own experience, is a very subtle mix of elements. For example, I don't think you can lead entirely by consensus, just taking a vote every time on any issue. But on the other hand, elements of consensus are very important. So there's a fine line, at least in what I've been exposed to, between waving a sword and saying, "We're going up that hill." And on the other hand, having an approach which builds support among your employees and your teammates, so that you're not an autocrat, because autocrats, I think, at least in most aspects of what I've ever seen, don't last too long.
Roger C. Altman:
Well, I had a remarkable experience at the University of Chicago because I began there in the fall of 1967.
Howard Marks:
The antiwar protests were a big theme during the time we were there, and we were conscious of it.
Dick Jay:
I know we met in 1967 in Chicago, and we were in the same business school dorm on Blackstone Avenue. And, that's how we met. And, we became very good friends in the course of business school.
Roger C. Altman:
The benefit of going to graduate school is about 50percent of the classroom, and about 50 percent the ecology of the graduate school, and what you'll learn by just being there. Again, there are lots of different types of leaders. We've all read biographies of great leaders who were very front than others. Apropos of Chicago and Illinois, Abraham Lincoln had a very distinct form of leadership, but it wasn't the same, for example, as George Patton or Dwight Eisenhower. So, I don't think there's one formula for leadership, one formula for the type of temperament, that is consistent with leadership. There's a lot of different types of temperament that can work, especially depending upon the field you're talking about. There's certain temperaments, for example, that may apply to military leadership, that may not at all apply to what you might call, well, academic leadership, or business leadership, or scientific leadership.
Howard Marks:
I've gotten to spend time with a lot of successful people in my life. And one of my observations is that, success is not good for most people, and yet Roger's been enormously successful and it hasn't changed him. He's still the Roger I knew, should I say, 49 years ago.
Roger C. Altman:
I grew up in a classically progressive Massachusetts family, which was really interested in civic matters. And very, as I said, civic-minded and progressive from an ideological point of view. So this was one of the things that I listened to as a child. And, by the time I had come to the University of Chicago, I was firmly focused on that, as something that someday I wanted to try to do. I have had a couple of periods in my life when I was down and out, either economically at a very early age, or from a health point of view, 20 plus years ago. And, those experiences put everything into perspective. And, I just think, it's just my own philosophy as to why we're really here on this Earth. And also I would say, business is great. I like business. I said a moment ago, I've never had a boring day in it, but there are limits to it. Some people think, it's all they want to do all day long from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to sleep, is pursue their business. I admire that. Great for them. That's not me.
Dick Jay:
I think helping people, whether there's the people who work with him, or his clients, or whether it's helping people through government, or helping people through nonprofit, I think that is Roger's mantra. And I think he thinks about giving back, and by helping people is always the best way to help yourself. I mean, it comes back to you.
Roger C. Altman:
The only way that we're going to enable living standards in this country to begin climbing again, because they've stagnated now, is through better educating our population.